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Problems we encountered ..
~ 2011 Friend at Court
~ Part 2, The Code
- In ball called out
- Tardiness: the cost of it
- Foot fault
- The timed match
- Balls: losing one; to warm up with old or new
- Ratings: B & D
- You can use 90 second change over allowance to end a timed match
- Walking off the court is an automatic default
- When a default court being rescheduled
- To dispute a score
- The score card
- double default being modified
Grunt .. ..what to do when the opponent interprets it as an OUT call?
- In ball called out
your opponent’s mistake was to call the ball “Out” instead of saying “Bounce it”.
If you look in the Friend at Court, the 7 pages long fm 2011, read item 14 which refers back to item 12.
12. Out calls reversed. A player who calls a ball out shall reverse the call if the player becomes uncertain or realizes that the ball was good. The point goes to the opponent and is not replayed. However, when a receiver reverses a fault call on a serve that hit the net, the server is entitled to two serves.
13. Player calls own shots out. With the exception of the first serve, a player should call out the player’s own shots if the player clearly sees the ball out regardless of whether requested to do so by an opponent. The prime objective in making calls is accuracy. All players should cooperate to attain this objective.
14. Partners’ disagreement on calls. If one partner calls the ball out and the other partner sees the ball good, they shall call it good. It is more important to give opponents the benefit of the doubt than to avoid possibly hurting a partner’s feelings. The tactful way to achieve the desired result is to tell a partner quietly of the mistake and then let the partner concede the point. If a call is changed from out to good, the principles of Code § 12 apply.If your opponent had said “Bounce it”, there would be no issue. As long as the ball was returned, you would need to keep playing the point.
So, next time this happens, politely tell your opponent that they should never use the word “Out” when they are trying to warn their partner and then tell them you’re taking the point because they disagreed.
- Over a line call, Dec 23, 2012
- Out, stop, oops, I’m sorry, Dec 10, 2012
- In ball called out, July 26, 2012
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- Foot fault, Jan 15, 2011
Yes, you can call ..
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.. .. Opponents were kind of tricky and did a lot of talking so after they won the first set, they kept talking so we ended up in second set at 5/5. At one point I had to say let’s play.
- Sorry, you’re on your own .. , Jan 15, 2011
- Cheating, is always an option, Jan 3, 2012
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- During a match what if we lose two balls? Do we continues with the remaining ball or the home team opens another can? March 3, 2010
There is nothing in the rules to cover this. So that will be up to the 2 teams that did not keep track of their balls & captains to decide if they want to open a new can & have both teams split the cost for a can of balls, which is less than $1.50/team.
That is why I always buy 4-ball cans (Dunlops) for my matches. It is easier for warm-up also now that both sides will have 2 to hit with.
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- To use new balls to warm up or not?
Jan 2010: As we opened a new can of balls, our opponents insisted on NOT using them for warmups. They insisted on using old half-dead balls they picked up from the neighboring ball cart. They wanted to “save” the new balls for the match and were adamant about that. We ignored them and integrated them into the warmup with the other balls. I didn’t think anything of it until I heard that our female opponent complained about it after the match was over. So what’s the official word? I don’t think it s rule that you have to use the new balls, but it’s our perogative – right?
It seems rather stupid to get used to dead balls and then have to re-adjust to new ones during match time. There’s no official word.
My suggestion: use the new balls.
- B and D rating, 2010
The league allows self rate if player never played, or didn’t play for (I think 2 or 3 years). Self raters can get DQ easier than computer rated. Computer rated people can also get DQ in mid season. I know a guy who was rated (by a verifier) back several years as a 3.0. The player insisted that he was a 3.5 [sounds a lot like Irene 🙂 ] and the verifier said NO. Well, he went to Sectionals (upstate) and got DQ!!! Now you see how fair that was. I also know another guy recently that appealed his rating down to a 3.5 after he got bumped up to 4.0. The team went to sectionals, won and would have gone to Nationals and this guy got DQ and all the points taken away from the team and they did not go to Nationals.
You can play at any level that you want, however, when the stakes are high, and your team goes deeper/further, to regional, sectionals, anyone can get DQ. At those competition, your performance is visual as well as the scores.
2011 Manhattan mixed 7.0, regular season matches
- 7-Nov 2010 Sun 6:00 pm Westside; T2 Kende/Vogt vs: 1st 4-6, 4-6; 2nd 6-3, 3-6, 1-0; 3rd 7-6, 2-3
- 12-Nov Fri 7:30 pm Randalls Is; T4 Holbrook/McConway vs: 1st 7-6, 4-2; 2nd 5-7, 1-6; 3rd 6-1, 6-3
- 18-Nov Thu 9:00 pm Randalls Is.; home vs T6 Rosenberg: 1st 6-4, 3-6, 0-1; 2nd 6-0, 6-1; 3rd 6-0, 6-1
- 30-Nov Tue 8:00 pm Westside Tennis; T3: Cuthbert vs.: 1st 6-1, 6-1; 2nd 6-0, 6-1; 3rd 6-0, 6-1
- 6-Dec Mon 8:00 pm Westside Tennis Club; vs T3: Cuthbert: 1st 6-1, 6-6; 2nd 1-6, 4-6; 3rd 6-2, 6-3
- 16-Dec Thu* 8:00 pm Westside Tennis Club; T5: Kim/Seto vs us: 1st 3-6, 7-5; 2nd 6-3, 6-2; 3rd 6-4, 6-1
- 11-Jan, 2011 Tue 9:30 pm RIRC; vs T2: Kende/Vogt: 1st 1-6, 2-6; 2nd 2-6, 5-5; 3rd 6-3, 4-6, 10-6
- 14-Jan Fri 8:00 pm RIRC; vs T4: Holbrook/McConway: 1st 6-4, 3-3; 2nd 7-6, 6-3; 3rd 6-3, 3-6, 10-8
- 18-Jan Tue 9:00 pm Randall’s Island; vs T5: Kim/Seto: 1st 6-1, 6-4; 2nd 6-4, 4-6; 3rd 6-3, 4-5
- 28-Jan Fri 7:30 pm Randall’s Island; T6 Rosenberg vs: 1st 6-4, 6-2; 2nd 6-4, 6-3; 3rd 6-0, 6-0
Roosevelt Island Racquet Club
Roosevelt Island Racquet Club
281 Main Street
Roosevelt Island, NY 10044
Tel: (212) 935-0250
Info, directions to the club and map
The tennis club is on the little island between Manhattan’s East side and Queens, with 12 har-tru clay courts.
Oct 26, 2011
Beginning tomorrow, Wednesday, October 26, the ramp leading onto Randall’s Island from the Manhattan Plaza of the Robert F. Kennedy Bridge will become an exit only ramp while repaving work continues just south of the toll booths.
– All motorists seeking access to Randall’s Island from Manhattan will be detoured to the new RI/Ward’s ramp, which is only about a quarter-mile away. The ramp will put motorists on the Ward’s side of the Island.
– Vehicles heading to Randall’s Island from the Harlem River Lift Span should stay right after the toll plaza and follow traffic signs to Queens.
Vehicles WILL be able to exit the Island normally.
The work is expected to take approximately five weeks.
The Hilton Garden Inn

We stayed at Hilton Garden Inn at Albany Airport Hotel that I booked through Hotwire.com. Pretty good. The lobby is cozy and intimate. The swimming pool is small but ok. It’s about 10 minutes drive to the courts.
Albany is dull and small. But the prom that was held at the Marriott was quite an event. The kids filing in as we were leaving, looked rather sophisticated confident, well put together, despite the tacky dresses. They looked good on the girls.
Summary of Queens team 7.0 season
The league made me a better player.
Not that no one has ever mentioned to lob, to play on the deuce court, to serve down the middle and practice more forehand. But it seems I suddenly realized that I need to utilize all those tools on court, in order, well, to win.
Notes to aspiring new captains:
- Knows who uses iPhone/Crackberry
- Make sure everyone checks their email daily
- Eliminate careless/innocent mistakes = as 99% out still makes it 100% in
- Recruit player who exhibits good sportsmanship. The mean girl might be the catalyst for your trouble
- Set your priority: winning or having a good time
Paul displays a serious demeanor on court. The intensity could be overwhelming.
I had the habit of serving from both corners, feeling I didn’t have to run in order to cover that side of the alley. Although many partners had advised me not to do so but I continuously did. Until my last match with Paul when a light bulb went off in my little dim head. Or maybe his intensity forced me into thinking.
Communicating well on court makes the difference between winning or losing, especially during the tough moments.
I thought about my last waterloo match with Wai when we didn’t communicate well. As I was losing one service game after another .. so Wai told me to serve in the middle. I thought he asked me serve to the middle.
“Ok.” I replied but continuously fired from the corner and got killed. At change over Wai asked me again. I asked myself if he was insane: if I were able to serve to the middle wouldn’t I be 4.0 myself?
“I can’t.”
After I put in another wide serve and the girl returned with a great angle, Wai was really really mad.
“You’re telling me you can’t serve from the middle?” He screamed exasperatedly.
“No I can’t. I don’t have that type of control.”
He looked puzzled.
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A rain storm came to visit, interrupted our play, few teammates dancin’ in the rain, June 3, 2007
match standing as of Feb 23
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过五关斩六将 wu guan liu jiang
Queens 7.0 Mixed Doubles has total 9 teams that splited into two groups: Division One has 5 teams, #1 – #5 and Two has 4 teams: #6 – #9. We’re #7 in Div 2.
wu guans:
- Regular Season (Jan – Mar in four differnt venues): 11 matches resulting 4 teams to advance to playoffs: 2 top teams from either division. We the Team 7 played 3 other teams in our own Division twice and once against the Div One’s 5 teams.
- Division Playoffs (April 11 at NTC, New York): 1 match that yielded two teams for the next round. First Place Team of each Div plays Second Play Team of the other Division.
- District (Queens) Playoffs: (April 11 at NTC): 1 match, single elimination format.
- Regional (Area or Metro) Playoffs: (May at NTC) : 1 match against Manhattan League; single elimination format
- Eastern Sectional Playoffs : June 4-6 in Schenectady: round robin match 1, match 2, match 3, match 4 and match 5
- National: failed to make it
The Woman in Red
First thing first. Our first match at the Sectionals vs Southern. My partner Sean at coin toss ceremony.
I floated into the court feeling like a million buck light and happy but soon were sent off the court on our own feet: we lost decisively at 1 and 1. Better than the bicycles, right? I’m thick skinned optimistic. The guy was just too good: he’s 4.0 and she was 3.5 who’s solid too. The other two pairs of the opposing team – Chestnut Ridge (Westchester) were all 7.0 in combo:
1st Doubles: Eng 7.0 vs CR 7.5
2nd Doubles: 7.0 vs 7.0
3rd Doubles: 7.0 vs 7.0
On paper, we had a dream lineup: the weakest pair (Sean and I) played their strongest so that our other two teams would have better chance of winning. But the reality wasn’t quit so, with the hidden gem(s).
The skipper (right) and the lady in red skirt to the left
Does anyone remember of seeing this lady, in red skirt? Whom I had played last summer? Who told me that she’s on St. Johns’ team? It turned out her name is Judith A Norton (her sister Danielle S. Carr are both 4.0 player in the league. Apparently They also joined the league this season, as freshman.)
According to the NTRP,
NAIA, Div. 2 & 3 unranked college team player (commited to, playing, or played )
should ranked at 4.5 if under the age of 35 and 4.0 for 35 and over. She certainly doesn’t look like a day older than 28 but guess she is or ..?
The funny part’s she didn’t recognize me at all and that she and Danielle S. Carr aren’t sisters at all, but collectively or commonly to be known as The Carton, guess she had fun time fooling this old bag, telling me fab :).
Anyway, Wai and Mary had an easy set, 6:1 but was totally dead in the second, getting bageled. Sounded like the way Simon and I were being played last summer at Cunningham Park. Ogbonna Chilaka was too good to be a 3.0 man. There are tricks to employ to protect a player’s lower-than-actual ranking, by dumping games/matches. Bill had told me from the beginning that there are two types of teams: one playing for fun and one playing to win.
Winning is great. But does it feel great to hoisting the trophy knowing well tricks were used?
Ha .. remember .. life isn’t always fair and should you decide to join the League, take it like a man.
Season standing
Kai and Anna had the most wins: 13 matches each. They had the perfect score till the Metro playoffs and were the only team that played together throughout. The only two matches lost were occurred at the Sectional playoffs. Wah and Simon both had a perfect score of 4 and 5 respectively.
Most players on my team were very considerate and humble. I’m very grateful and feeling lucky.
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The love birds.
The girl in sunglasses was about to go off for her first match at the Sectionals, against the pair behind her. I met their skipper (Northern Albany) at the Captains’ meeting the night before and had enjoyable conversation.
Having lost badly with me earlier, my partner Sean was giddy upon seeing two seniors.
As it turned out, the lady was a solid 4.0 and the guy is a 3.5. They both were very experienced and didn’t miss much. My team lost 6:2 the first set. The second set was close, but still we came up bit short at 7:5.
Kai and Anna’s match had gone to the 3rd set super tie break. Very exciting. Both teammates jointly cheered the four on on winners and ouuuuued on errors. It was pure tennis, pure joy of seeing four players battling out there under the scorching sun with all they had. Nothing divided us (as opposing team) the spectators. No whispers (trying to coach), no mean glances (as if that could help their players to win). Our pair eventually nailed it at 23:21 or something like that.
Both Northern and Western teams were very enjoyable to play. They seem to be the poster child I pictured this league is all about: competitive yet friendly. There wasn’t any hit of meanness and nastiness.
Wah is polite and humble but after the match, he said to the pair in a firm tone,
“Sit down and listen if you want to win.”
He went on to stress the technique of playing doubles or mixed doubles ..
I listened but promptly forgot .. -:(
That’s me, the forgetful senior.
Maybe the Pretty Woman in the shade could fill it up for me here.
We had dinner at Katrinellas Bistro the first night up there. The restaurant is nothing to write home about it although it ranked pretty high on Trip Adviser.
The League
The Championship is very much a family affair, meeting old friends/foes.
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One night at Ikea, a plump middle aged lady was asking one of the store clerks in her heavy Hispanic accent if the shipping was free.
The tall clerk who’s a young woman, stood on a slightly raised floor behind the desk, looking down and replied haughtily,
“It’s complimentary.”
The Hispanic lady looked to her husband/male companion for clue. He looked blank.
“Free?” She turned to the clerk and repeated herself.
“It’s c-o-m-p-l-i-m-e-n-t-a-r-y.” The clerk insisted.
I was thinking: gosh, why didn’t she make it easy by just confirming its “free” instead. For Pete’s sake, it’s Ikea, not some white gloves stores that caters to the Park Avenue sophisticates.
Q-16: Have you ever had a published NTRP rating?
This is the last one on USTA’s Player Self-Rating questionnaire. English being not my first tongue and I suspect that the league consists many immigrants, would official be less confusing? Or better yet, simply make the program/application able to auto fill the box should the player had one. One of my players is in the printing business. Publish means authors, books and magazines to her. She was dumbfounded to see it and replied No even she played in the league a decade ago. (It became the ground for her mid season bumping.) Actually the auto fill should be easy to implement and the benefit is great: it would avoid many headache for the league/team/captains since we don’t know each new player’s history, and this one is pretty black and white. The league may see this is captain’s job, but how could each cap know? I’ve heard on my first match, the opposing captain said to the guy who played us “.. nice meeting you” as he was leaving after the match. I gathered that they just met that day ( Ok .. They might have exchange hundreds of emails and swaps life stories or their communication be succinct ..), that he joined the team and she put him in the lineup. Due diligence .. would she question/grill his 3.5 rating should he’s a self-rater? I doubt, and felt strongly if the league improves the auto fill on Q16 (or any others) that could reduced the chance for ignorance/forgetful/out right cheating attempt/poor command of the language, etc.
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At Captains’ Meeting on Thursday
The Captains’ meeting was on Thursday at 7pm. The check in started at 6pm: each cap got the t-shirt for the team, info packet for the weekend and a thank you gift (a thermo water flask). The small meeting room had five tables – one for each flight, 6.0 – 10.0. Three plus half captains showed up at our table out of 6 teams. The Southern and Northern plus Long Island. The Southern cap from Westchester was very remote, didn’t talk with us at all. Jean is from the Albany area who’s very gracious and chatty.
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Couple of summers ago I went to watch the 3.5 men league play at the NTC. The night was very pleasant and the out door courts at the USTA were buzzing with actives. Few fashionably dressed ladies were sipping wines in the stems while watching their mates sweat it out there. Sunny was playing a singles match and complaining that his opponent’s cheating who called all close shots out. I didn’t remember the out come since Sunny was upset and left immediately afterward.
One of Golfer’s four-some had played the league a decade ago and had quit because “there were too much cheating.”
Those might just be the rare cases because I didn’t encounter any out right cheating this past season but only few bad line calls here and there, myself included. Credit to the league and players as well.
The NTRP is the back bone of this recreational league but look closely, I realized that it isn’t cut and dry. Many players were clearly under rated, not including the year end rating group; and few were rated above their actual ability. I think for the teams that aim at Nationals, their players were tend to be rated lower and for the teams that aim at fun, the players were rated generously above. If one understands that life isn’t fair and this league is manned by humans who are imperfect, we’ll all be happy. There were instances which I felt clearly uncalled for but there were also unbelievable courtesy that extended to my team, resulting in our favor. Take this league as a game and enjoy it, then you’ll have a blast. Which I had.
Oh, get this: there are players who play on not only one or two but multiple teams; there are teams that play in different divisions; and there are captains who manage multiple teams, one has 10 teams (did I get this right?) and always serve sushi at team practices. Don’t know my McDonald’s wage could cover Shashimi or dumplings. Sorry kids ..
You must enter at least first 4 letters of the Last Name and first 3 letter of the First Name
On the Search By Player Namepage, maybe the League can shrink the number of letters required, like myself who’s last name only have 3 letters? What if the player’s first name has only two letters? No wonder no paparazzi staking out of my door.
At the Sectionals, I met my tormentors who decided to bumped up us -:). Ya, you bet I made threat that they ought to hire a body guard or two. They were probably the biggest tennis bums just like you and I – the usta league is populated by the vets rather than the newbies. My gut feeling is that I’ll be one of the vets soon, and hoping to improve my sick humor too.
Just one season (maybe an one night stand thing anyway) on the job giving an review of the league seems inappropriated, especially when I wasn’t really doing much – under the tutelage of Bill. But what’s the heck, given the fact how eventful this season had been for my team I think I’ve earned this bragging right.
One of my tormentors who’s in her 50s said that she was being bumped up too (the league could make the game fairer ..) and when she went to the Nationals last year (?) she ended up playing a young girl in her 20s. With her experience, she actually eked out few games (as vs leaving on a bicycle). She did muse out loud that maybe the league would consider having different age divisions. Currently there are 50+ Senior Div as well as 60+ Super Senior division. If the NTRP is really effective, then the age shouldn’t be playing a major roll. Too many divisions would make the league cumbersome – they might have to hold championship tournaments every month :).
And to correct the record – I went to the 3.5 Nationals in 2007. My last match as a 3.5 player was against a 19yr old player (I was 53) who was self-rated and was 18-0 that year. I lost to her 6-3, 6-4 in the semi-finals. Even before that match it was my position that self-rated players shouldn’t be allowed to advance to Championships. I think you should be a hardened computer-rated veteran to go onto the Championship level – it is the only way to make things really fair! But that is just my opinion.
Guess my recollection of our conversation wasn’t precise. The tormentor wrote to correct me. I strongly agree that self-rated players not be allowed participating at the playoffs.
As to the venue of the championship, will the League ever consider to hold it in NYC, at the NTC once? Give us the New Yorkers a slight advantage? Surprisingly, one of the coordinators told me that NTC is very uncooperative, the league was at mercy of the Center. Hmmmmm … the USTA league is in the business of promoting tennis which is the NTC’s sole business, why wouldn’t they be supportive?
There are two types of player/team: one seeking win and one for fun. As a player, I knew I would want a steep challenge, playing up. Having the cake and wanting to eat it too. Possible? Sure. Improve your game first, and come up with better jokes .. ha ha ha..
NJ
Our last match on Sunday was again being played indoor at Tri-City. Nadal was demolishing Robin Söderling 6–4, 6–2, 6–4 in Paris.
Our opponent was from the other side of the Hudson River, New Jersey. Their team consisted Chinese too. Paul suggested to me that I should seeking its captain out and get acquaintance for some friendly games in the future: a great idea. When I saw a lady who resembled Paul’s description, I approached her.
“Good morning, are you Sherry?”
“No.” Wow ..
“Oh .. do you know where is she?” Thickening my skin, I persisted.
“Why are you looking for her?” She looked at me with suspicion.
“I’d like to talk to her.” I replied cheerfully.
“What do you want to talk about?” she asked in such rawness, I decided not to pursue any further. It’s so unpleasant.
NJ has also large Chinese tennis community and they’ve been hosting tournaments for a long time and continusly doing so with great success. Their USTA league participation has produced couple of National Champions.
#1 Doubles Wai Chiu Leong/Mary Wong vs Cheng Mei-Ju Tzeng/Yi Qiu: 6-3 6-1
#2 Doubles Kai H. Chung/Anna Leung Vs. Ban Tran/Jan Kay Smith: 2-6 7-6 1-0
#3 Doubles SEAN YUEN/Irene Lum Vs. Polly Wong/Ronald C. Tai: 6-4 6-1



